Even when abortions are depicted in movies and TV, they are often accompanied by physical complications or feelings of self-doubt and regret. Only in the past few years have a select few shows managed to get abortion stories right on screen.

One of those shows is Shrill, a new comedy on Hulu from writer and Jezebel alum Lindy West. Shrill has already received a great deal of praise for its attempt at genuine body inclusivity, but it also deserves recognition for including a realistic abortion in its pilot episode.

West stopped by the Jezebel offices to speak with editor-in-chief Julianne Escobedo Shepherd about how showing positive abortion experiences in movies and TV can help pro-choice advocates fight back against the popular narrative that abortions are scary and shameful.

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In the video above, West explains why these stories are especially significant today and talks more about making Shrill body positive.

Watch the first video from their conversation here.

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